Pastoral Transition, with Gary Garcia (Podcast Ep 017)

Karl Vaters interviews Gary Garcia again. This time about pastoral transition. Specifically, how Gary became the pastor after working for Karl, while Karl stayed on staff working for Gary.

Intentional Interim Pastors, with Tom Harris (Podcast Ep 015)

Karl Vaters interviews Tom Harris about the importance of interim pastorates, including how an intentional interim can help prepare a church to hit the ground running when they call a new pastor.