De-Sizing the Church (pt 9): The Danger of Idolizing Outcomes, with Mike Rubino (ep 077)

Idolatry is not too strong a term for hat happwens when we become obsessed with something Jesus never commanded us to do.

Mike Rubino talks about his First Reaction to De-sizing the Church, Chapter One: The Danger of Idolizing Outcomes.

In this episode, Mike and I discuss:

  • The difference between a church that is trending or transforming
  • The biggest mistakes churches make regarding metrics
  • Why “idolatry” is not too strong a term for how many churches and pastors approach size, growth, and outcomes
  • And more.

Mike Rubino is the pastor of Cornerstone Bible Church, Port Jefferson Station, on Long island NY, and the founder of the Church Revitalize Center.

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