Over the next two decades we will see the largest retirement of pastors in American history. Meanwhile, the incoming class of pastors is one of our smallest ever.
In this conversation with Sam Rainer we talk about those massive changes, including how the looming pastoral shortage will affect everything about the way churches function in the next generation or two.
Based on Sam’s article, The Coming Massive Wave of Retiring Pastors and Church Staff, this conversation covers what caused this crisis and offers some hopeful solutions, including:
- The rise of bi- and co-vocational ministry
- Opportunities for interim pastor ministry
- The importance of planning your pastoral succession
- And so much more.
Coming Soon! ON DECK: Your Pastoral Succession Game Plan
Pastoral succession is something every church knows it will face, yet we do almost no preparation for it. So we don’t do it very well.
To step into this gap, we’ve created a webinar series called On Deck, Your Pastoral Succession Game Plan, which is coming on the five Tuesdays of September 2026 at 1pm ET (10am PT). Go to KarlVaters.com/OnDeck to sign up for our On Deck mailing list.
As a subscriber, you’ll get all the information as it’s released, and you’ll receive the lowest possible prices when registration begins.
Links
- The Coming Massive Wave of Retiring Pastors and Church Staff (article)
- Church Answers
- Church Answers University certification program
- Calendly
- KarlVaters.com/OnDeck
Bonus Content
How To Prepare Your Church for Your Pastoral Retirement, with Sam Rainer
Karl Vaters talks with Sam Rainer about how pastors can prepare the church for their upcoming retirement. This includes the following three proactive steps:
1) Evaluate your leadership pipeline.
2) Create flexibility in your staffing model.
3) Honor and utilize experienced pastors.
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Karl Vaters produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context. He has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience.
You can follow Karl on Facebook, Instagram, X, YouTube, and LinkedIn, or Contact Karl to inquire about speaking, writing, and consultation.