Pastors are getting older. In 1992, the average pastor’s age was 44. Today, it’s 54.
That may not seem like much, but here’s how it plays out. In 1992 I was twelve years younger than the average pastor. Today, although 34 years have gone by, I’m only twelve years older than average.
As I’ve traveled and spoken with thousands of ministers over the last few years, I’ve had a unique view of how ministers on both sides of the age gap treat each other. Most of those relationships have been great. Some… not so much.
But, beneath it all, we share more in common than most of us realize. We love Jesus, we love people, and we have a passion for our calling. But we sure approach our calling in very different ways.
The factors that make a young/old relationship either great or bad are as complex as the people involved, but I’ve seen one reason rise to the top, leaving all other factors in the dust.
How we listen to each other.
Specifically, things go much better when we listen like this:
How Younger Ministers Need to Listen
Younger ministers need to listen to older ministers’ stories. Hear their experience. Learn from their lives.
A lot of things have changed in the last generation or two, but the important things have not. God is God. Truth is truth. And people are people.
If you’re a young minister, you need to pay attention to the lessons older ministers learned the hard way so you can learn them a little easier.
Let them help you grow deeper, not just faster.
When you see them interact with people using language and customs that may seem out-of-date and quaint to you, those behaviors are usually the result of old-school manners and a long-held respect for human dignity.
Don’t dismiss a tradition you don’t understand as a relic of a bygone day. It may have more value than you’ve given it credit for. Ask what it means and why they do it. The why matters. A lot.
Knowing where their traditions came from might help you start some great new traditions of your own. Or you may find yourself wanting to re-purpose that old tradition in a fresh, new way that brings depth and meaning to even your youngest church members.
There are treasures to be found in relationships with older ministers, but that treasure will stay hidden unless you look for it.

How Older Ministers Need to Listen
Older ministers need to listen to young ministers’ questions. Take their concerns seriously. Let them express their doubts and uncertainties.
Expressing what they don’t know is often how younger generations try to figure out what they want to know.
And don’t be too quick with answers. Especially the ones you’ve grown used to relying on. They’ve probably heard them before.
Just listen. Before they trust what you have to say, they want to know they’ve been heard.
Let them to help you stay curious.
Be quick with your experiences, slow with your answers.
They want to engage in a dialog. They want to learn from your experiences, but they want – they need – to participate in the process of figuring it out, rather than having the answers handed to them
Assist them. Aid them. Walk with them.
Resist the temptation to pre-package the answer for them.
They will learn more by watching your life than by being spoon-fed the answers.

How Jesus Taught – And Listened
This method of learning from each other isn’t some newfangled fad. It’s how Jesus taught and his disciples learned.
Jesus listened to their questions, their doubts, and their fears. He walked with them, lived life among them, and shared experiences with them.
Sure, at times he sat and taught while they sat and listened – there are a lot of red letters in the Gospels, after all. But there were a lot of stories in those sermons. And they inspired even more stories as they walked, talked, and ministered together.
Also, those sermons were usually followed by Q & A sessions with the twelve. With Jesus providing almost as many Q’s as A’s.
Jesus never told his disciples the what without helping them understand the why.
If we listen to Jesus together, he’ll do the same for us.
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Karl Vaters produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context. He has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience.
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