Have you ever gone to a church growth conference and been told “all healthy things grow?”
I talked with Jeff Hoglen about what’s happening behind that idea, and why it can be a problem for a lot of pastors and churches. Our conversation is based on an article Jeff wrote, called “The Church Growth Lie No One Talks About.” We look at what that lie is, why we keep believing it, and what to do instead.
We also discuss alternative ways to look at church health and growth, including:
- How growth feels more like farming than fireworks
- How most real growth is slow, often invisible, and always hard
- How the slow seasons don’t have to discourage you
- How to deepen before you broaden
- How to pursue health over hype
- The importance of celebrating the small stuff
And more.
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Karl Vaters produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context. He has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience.
You can follow Karl on Facebook, Instagram, X, YouTube, and LinkedIn, or Contact Karl to inquire about speaking, writing, and consultation.
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