Seculosity: Ministry In The Era Of Secular Religion, with David Zahl (Podcast Ep 037)

Our culture is becoming less traditionally religious and churchgoing, but people haven’t become less religiously needy, so where do those needs go?

In this episode, I interview David Zahl, author of Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do about It.

We have a wide-ranging conversation about how the religious landscape has changed in our culture, but not in the ways you may have thought. According to David, we haven’t become less religious, but the objects of our worship and the rituals and rules around that worship have changed from vertical to horizontal.

If you are a church leader, this will help you get a handle on some of the confusing shifts in attitude and behavior that may be frustrating you as you attempt to lead a congregation.

Specifically, we narrow in on the subjects of:

  • Busyness
  • Parenting
  • Politics
  • Jesusland

and how each of them may be playing themselves out in disruptive but subconscious ways in our lives and congregations.

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