In this episode I interview Darrell Stetler, a small-church pastor, father of seven, and creator of NewStart discipleship curriculum – written with the needs and strengths of small churches in mind.
Darrell and I talk about the importance of discipleship in the life of the church – and as a central role in our calling as pastors.
Some key topics include:
- The importance of helping people create discipleship habits, not just filling their heads with information
- Making sure to see discipleship as a whole, not broken into individualized pieces
- The essential role that mentoring plays in discipleship – especially in the early days of someone’s walk with Christ
Plus, Darrell’s way of describing new believers as infants in Christ provides a fresh insight that is especially fresh and helpful from a pastoral perspective.
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Authors
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View all postsDarrell Stetler II started NewStart Discipleship to design a discipleship pathway to enable churches to effectively disciple new believers. Darrell is pastor of a church in South OKC, a dad of seven, and is passionate about helping his children learn to imitate and obey Jesus.
For a free audiobook on discipling your children at the dinner table, visit Discipleship In the Home, which empowers parents to create devotions for their families.
You can follow Darrell on X(Twitter), or on Facebook.
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Karl Vaters produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context. He has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience.
You can follow Karl on Facebook, Instagram, X, YouTube, and LinkedIn, or Contact Karl to inquire about speaking, writing, and consultation.