Of all the famous pastors of the last 40 years, Eugene Peterson might be the one that sought the spotlight the least. In this episode, I talk with Peterson’s biographer, Winn Collier about the places where Winn’s book, A Burning in My Bones: The Authorized Biography of Eugene H. Peterson, Translator of The Message, overlaps with my book, De-sizing the Church.
We talk about how Winn was entrusted to write Peterson’s authorized bio, why people (especially pastors) are still fascinated by Peterson’s writings, his life, and the way he pastored. Then we narrow in on how Peterson accurately, but fairly critiqued the church growth movement and our obsession with bigness.
We also get into several parts of Peterson’s life and ministry that didn’t fit into De-sizing the Church, including:
- How Peterson’s life connected with people even deeper than his writings did
- The importance of pastoral presence
- How Peterson pushed back against our size obsession and the institutionalism of a business-centered approach to church growth
- The importance of those inefficient hours in a pastor’s life and schedule
- And more
Links from this Episode
- A Burning in My Bones: The Authorized Biography of Eugene H. Peterson, Translator of The Message
- Working the Angles: The Shape of Pastoral Integrity
- De-sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What’s Next
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Karl Vaters produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context. He has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience.
You can follow Karl on Facebook, Instagram, X, YouTube, and LinkedIn, or Contact Karl to inquire about speaking, writing, and consultation.
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Winn Collier is the author of several books, including A Burning in My Bones: The Authorized Biography of Eugene H. Peterson, Translator of The Message, Love Big, Be Well: Letters to a Small-Town Church, and Restless Faith: Holding on to a God Just Out of Reach.
Winn and his family live in Holland, Michigan where he is the Director of The Eugene Peterson Center for Christian Imagination at Western Theological Seminary as well as Associate Professor of Pastoral Theology & Christian Imagination. Winn received a Ph.D. from the University of Virginia where he focused on the intersection of theology and literary fiction.
You can find Winn at WinnCollier.com, and subscribe to his Substack.
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