Mike Rubino talks about his First Reaction to De-sizing the Church, Chapter One: The Danger of Idolizing Outcomes.
In this episode, Mike and I discuss:
- The difference between a church that is trending or transforming
- The biggest mistakes churches make regarding metrics
- Why “idolatry” is not too strong a term for how many churches and pastors approach size, growth, and outcomes
- And more.
Mike Rubino is the pastor of Cornerstone Bible Church, Port Jefferson Station, on Long island NY, and the founder of the Church Revitalize Center.
Links from this Episode
- Church Revitalize Center
- De-sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What’s Next
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Karl produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small-church context.
Karl has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience. He and his wife, Shelley have three children and two grandkids.
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