One of the underlying principles of the Church Growth Movement is that churches grow faster when we try to reach people with whom we have a lot in common.
That’s not what Dave Gibbons did. In this episode, I talk with Dave (the founding pastor of Newsong Church in Orange County, CA) about the challenges he faced when he decided to guide what was a very large, numerically successful church to look more like the diverse county they were ministering in.
Dave talks honestly and vulnerably about how the Holy Spirit challenged him to reach out to the misfits and the marginalized. This tested him and the church in huge ways, including a massive drop in attendance that he had to find his way through emotionally, financially, and spiritually.
Links from this Episode
- DaveGibbons.org
- De-sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What’s Next
Support This Work
Click here to support this work on a one-time or ongoing basis. This will help us continue to put these resources into the hands of the ministries that need them the most.
Want More?
Listen and subscribe to the podcast on all major platforms including
APPLE | SPOTIFY | YOUTUBE | AMAZON MUSIC | iHEART RADIO | GOOGLE PLAY
New episodes are available every two weeks.
If you click here to subscribe to our free weekly newsletter you’ll get all the breaking podcast news early!
Also, if you have any other ideas or guests that might fit this podcast, let me know in the comment section below.
Credits
Producer
Veronica Beaver | [email protected]
Editor
Phil Vaters | [email protected]
Music
Composed and performed by Jack Wilkins | JackWilkinsMusic.com
Logo
by Solomon Joy
Correspondence
Shelley Vaters | Shelley@KarlVaters.com
Author
-
Karl Vaters produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast, The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context. He has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience.
You can follow Karl on Facebook, Instagram, X, YouTube, and LinkedIn, or Contact Karl to inquire about speaking, writing, and consultation.
View all posts