In this episode I interview Dan White Jr. coauthor (with JR Woodward) of The Church as Movement: Starting and Sustaining Missional-Incarnational Communities.
We talk about why we need a complete rethinking of how we do church, from the current, popular ways of seeing it as an institution or a series of programs, to seeing it as the movement Jesus intended it to be.
Specifically, Dan builds the case for a new type of leadership he calls Polycentric Leadership.
To get there, we talk through the primary elements of:
- The Church as Movement
- The importance of church structure
- The four stages of learning
- Rethinking leadership and mutual submission
These seismic shifts can feel overwhelming at first, but if we really hear what the New Testament tells us about discipleship, it can become second nature to us.
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Author
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Karl produces resources for Helping Small Churches Thrive at KarlVaters.com.
He's the author of five books on church leadership, including his newest, De-Sizing the Church: How Church Growth Became a Science, Then an Obsession, and What's Next. His other books include The Grasshopper Myth and Small Church Essentials.
Karl also hosts a bi-weekly podcast,The Church Lobby: Conversations on Faith & Ministry, featuring in-depth interviews about topics that concern pastors, especially those who minister in a small church context.
Karl has served in small-church ministry for over 40 years, so he speaks and writes from decades of hands-on pastoral experience. He and his wife, Shelley have three children and two grandkids.