Podcasts for Small Church Leaders

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Jeff Keady and Jonny Craig are the self-proclaimed “Batman and Robin” of Small Church ministry podcasts. They write and podcast at 200Churches.com, where they provide great resources for churches around 200 people (give or take 200).

About once a month we record a new podcast together. They’re fun and informative, with practical help for Small Church leaders.

I’m thrilled to be associated with these guys. They’re smart, funny and committed to encouraging and equipping Small Churches and their pastors.

Click on any podcast photo or title. It will take you to that specific podcast at 200Churches.com, where you can listen from your computer or download it to your phone, iPod, iPad or any other MP3 player, and take it with you to listen later.

Karl Vaters


being creativeSmall Church Pastors Should Stand Tall

Encouraging, Connecting and Equipping Innovative Small Church Leaders. Eight words. Eight simple words that can transform your church, your ministry and your life. How do I know that? Because the principles behind those eight words helped transform my life and my church from being defeated, wounded and sad to being strong, healthy and joyous. (Episode 60 – 33:04 total run time. The interview runs from 2:30 – 23:00.)


Church StreetYour Church Is Big Enough

So you’re a Small Church pastor? Me too. Have you ever felt like that’s not enough? Me too. Today I have good news for both of us. Your church is big enough. It’s time to stop worrying about what we can’t do because we’re small, and start asking what Jesus can do with us because we’re small. (Episode 57 – 35:28 total run time. The interview lasts 20 minutes, from the 8 minute mark to the 28 minute mark.)


Help! I'm a Small Church Pastor! (Podcast)

Help! We’re Small Church Pastors!

Are you a pastor? Is your church small? Congratulations! You’re a Small Church pastor! This podcast presents the ideas from my post, I Am a Small Church Pastor, and I Am Not a Failure“, which is taken from the first chapter of The Grasshopper Myth. In this podcast, I share with Jeff & Jonny how I discovered that it’s possible for a church to be both great and small. There’s some straight talk and a lot of laughs here, too. (Episode 51 – 34:36 run time)


Croatia buildings with Bullet HolesWhen Small Is Your Only Option

A follow-up podcast on my trip to Germany and Croatia. It’s a blunt conversation that includes some talk about the difficulties European Christian churches have faced from American church growth experts telling them what they’re “doing wrong.” (Episode 41 – 34:05 run time)



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The NewSmallChurch.com Story

This is my first talk with Jeff and Jonny. In it, I share the story of how I tried and failed in my attempt to follow church growth principles, then redefined success and found fulfillment in healthy Small Church pastoral ministry. This is a great introduction to NewSmallChurch.com and The Grasshopper Myth.  (Episode 31 – 33:13 run time)


Keep coming back. We’ll make more.

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